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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 27, 2011 8:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

Geez, MC. Aren't there any folks of your generational acquaintance who are into jam bands? Or is even that too old? Really, what DO they like? Is it all about slick or mechanical and computer-enhanced, or what? (Maybe you'll have to wait for my son to get to college. He's almost 15 and really into Dark Star and the jazzier/jammier GD stuff ... although that may be his survival skills, too, LOL!)

On Dark Star: I'd say there's what you could call Dark Star-ness, and then there's Dark Star. The idea of DS may define a big part of what the GD is, manifested in so many ways depending on the tune that provides the opening, but DS itself has a fairly specific mood (or set of possible moods): to me, it's pretty meditative and interior-focused, so the improvisations tend to take off from that mood in one way or another. I wasn't particularly drawn to DS initially (hearing only the version on Live/Dead) although I was very attracted to jamming in general and the really "out-there" '60s stuff in general.

I'd imagine there are lots of folks who don't experience the Dark Stars themselves as their Ultimate Dead Moments, but who very much "get it" about Dark Star-ness in TOO, or Eyes, or Shakedown, or whatever. In that context, since DS is so revered, I could easily see someone having an irreverent bah-humbug moment and saying it's "over-rated" without meaning that they don't "get" what you could call Dark Star-ness.

Semantics ... yeah, maybe ... but hey, you're in college, right? There's gotta be a paper in there. After all, there's a famous essay on how Minimalism is Baroque (says the one-time art history major), so why not a paper on how All Dead is Dark Star but Dark Star is Not All Dead? :-)



This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2011-02-28 04:52:45

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Feb 27, 2011 9:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

Ooh I dig that last suggestion for an essay title. I managed to pass a somewhat questionable essay about the Grateful Dead off as a B+ in a European History class last spring, so I'm not going to tempt fate further.

This is my last semester in college (hopefully grad school next, in math, but we'll see). I have to say that I _have_ had more success in pushing the Grateful Dead on people more recently, and many people are very, very hip to the jazz gods of the 20th century. So for that I give them credit.

For whatever reason, though, I don't know anybody who's that into jam bands. There's been a lot of buzz recently about the new Radiohead album (about the only popular band I like), and there's a lot to be said for the mechanical and static nature of studio albums, but yeah, Radiohead doesn't _jam_. Although I'd love to see them do it, as I'm sure they'd be excellent improvisers (very, very talented instrumentalists).

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 27, 2011 9:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

The GD in European History? Ummmm ... "The Soviets in '72: Bozos or Bolos?" I'm impressed. That plus must have been for sheer chutzpah.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Feb 27, 2011 9:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

The KGB tried to integrate themselves into the Bolo's.
Or was it the Bozo's?.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 27, 2011 10:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

The CIA were working on the Bolos. The KBG went for the Bozos. They liked the clown noses, because it hid their Russian accents. "Vy do vee talk vunny? It is zis nose."

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Feb 27, 2011 9:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

It was a comparison of the Dead's approach to music with Nietzsche's Birth of Tragedy; I believe I posted about it here when I was writing it. It wasn't total BS but it was a stretch.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 27, 2011 9:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

Much more impressive than my college Nietzsche paper, wherein I refuted him by comparing his ideas to Carlos Castaneda and Crack in the Cosmic Egg. Neither of which, I should point out, were assigned reading. I still remember it because, well, it's so stereotypically comical in retrospect.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Feb 28, 2011 4:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

That really is funny ... were you trying to live up to all the stereotypes or what? :) Didn't you say you switched majors to accommodate your Dead touring schedule?

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 28, 2011 5:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

Yup, that was probably the same year. I was trying very hard to make 1979 into 1969. It was a very educational endeavor -- just didn't have a lot to do with anything as mundane as major requirements! I got serious later. I mean about academics. I was perfectly serious in '79, just about, well, different things :-)

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Feb 28, 2011 6:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

I understand :)

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 27, 2011 11:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Over-rated!

Garcia actually said much the same thing in '87, when asked what happened to Dark Star:

"Really, Dark Star is a little of everything we do, all the time. So what happened to Dark Star was, it went into everything. Everything's got a little Dark Star in it.
I've never missed it, because what we were doing with it is everywhere. I mean, our whole second half is Dark Star, you could say. But I have nothing against Dark Star, except that really it's a minimal tune. There's really no tune. There’s just a couple of lines and that's it.
So it's hard for me to relate to what is it about Dark Star that people like, apart from the fact that we get weird in it.... So Dark Star is an envelope for me, not really a song."